Shore, John Talbot Lovell Died

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Personal Information

Rank S/L
Forename(s) John Talbot Lovell
Surname Shore
Gender M
Age 32
Decorations MC, AFC
Date of Death 15-03-1950
Next of Kin Husband of June Shore of 28 Agbrigg Rd, Sandal, Wakefield, West Yorkshire. Father of Ian Shore.
SHORE JTL

Aircraft Information

Aircraft Avro Lincoln
Serial Number RF511
Markings

Memorial Information

Burial/Memorial Country United Kingdom
Burial/Memorial Place Battle Cemetery, Battle, East Sussex
Epitaph PER ARDUA AD ASTRA
Ribbon Stone 1181 (Block 103, Column 15, Row 4)

IBCC Memorial Information

Phase Post-War
Panel Number POST (not yet erected on site)

Enlistment Information

Service Number 39177
Service Royal Air Force
Squadron 230 OCU
Trade Pilot
Country of Origin United Kingdom

Other Memorials

Location International Bomber Command Centre, Canwick Avenue, Lincoln LN4 2HQ
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Inscribed stone tablet
Memorial Text S/L J.T.L. Shore MC AFC IX(B) Sqn

Miscellaneous Information

A defective wireless system meant the crew was unable to navigate their way back to Lincolnshire. They made contact with RAF Valley via a short-range radio-telephone, who attempted to talk the aircraft in for landing. It was seen and heard overhead at Valley but ten minutes later awoke locals 25 miles away near Bangor Corporation Reservoir. Owen Brown-Williams was one of those awoken and looked out of the window to see an aircraft which was on a steady course but much too low for such mountainous terrain. Moments later it crashed and burst into flames. Two rescue groups set out in torrential weather conditions, but were driven on because they could see flares rising from the crash site, which naturally gave hope that there were still survivors. However, these must have been set off by the fire, as when they reached the area in under two hours it was clear that no-one could have lived through such a fireball. Four of the six crew were found close to the burning wreckage, the other two were discovered some distance away the following morning.
All but one of the crew had served in World War II.
On 27 March 1941 his 9 Sqn. Wellington bomber R1335 was shot down on his 10th operational sortie. Imprisoned in a German prisoner-of-war camp, Stalag Luft 1, he and another prisoner used pocket knives to dig a 25ft (7.6m) tunnel in just four days and escaped to Sweden. Repatriated on 29 October 1941, he was awarded the Military Cross on 13 March 1942.
Between August and September 1943 he took part in the filming of a training film to warn airmen about the ways in which German guards might attempt to extract intelligence should they become PoW. John Mills also featured in the film.

Fellow Servicemen

Please note that this list gives all the losses aboard the quoted aircraft and occasionally these may have occurred on an earlier date when the aircraft was not itself lost. Please check the dates of death carefully.

Name Outcome
Lindsey C A (F/L) Died
Forsdyke R A (E I) Died
Charman H H (S III) Died
Cundy G L (G II) Died
Wood R H H (G II) Died

Last Operation Information

Start Date 15-03-1950
End Date 15-03-1950
Takeoff Station Scampton
Day/Night Raid Night
Reason for Aircraft Loss Aircraft was flying on an incorrect heading in bad weather when it made a controlled descent below the cloud base in an effort to establish its position but on doing so crashed into a 2500ft mountainside between Carnedd Llywelyn and Carnedd Dafydd, North Wales and exploded into a ball of fire. Local farmers and shepherds organised a rescue party despite the weather, but it was in vain as all of the crew were killed instantly.
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IBCC is delighted to introduce a unique facility to link the Losses Database to the relevant RAF Casualty Pack on the National Archives website. This project is the result of on-going collaboration between IBCC, the MOD Records Office and National Archives, Kew. This document describes what Casualty Packs are, when they were created, the process of making them available to the public and then goes on to describe the process by which you can view the contents of the packs. Casualty Packs (CPs) were created by the RAF whenever there was serious injury or loss of life associated with operational activity within the RAF. This includes operational flying losses, enemy action due to air raids, road accidents either on station or even off-station if they involved RAF vehicles. Deaths due to natural causes in service or accidents that did not involve RAF vehicles did not generally give rise to a CP.

CPs were originally given a unique reference number by the RAF. Each begins with the letter ‘P’ and is followed by six digits, then an oblique (forward slash) and the finally the year in which the incident took place- for example P396154/42.

The CPs are in the process of being made available to the general public as they are passed from the MOD Records Office, Portsmouth to National Archives, Kew. This process requires some rework to the files which is very time consuming, so the process of making them all available to National Archives will take several years. They are being made available in increasing date order.

Once CPs arrive at National Archives they are assigned a unique AIR81 number, so each CP has both a P-number and an AIR81 number. Both are searchable on the National Archives website under ‘Search the catalogue’ and both are included on the IBCC website.

The AIR81 reference on the IBCC website is a link to the file on the National Archives website. When you click on it, the relevant page will open in a new tab on your browser.

There is currently no plan to digitise AIR81 files, partly because they are fragile and partly because the information they contain can at times be sensitive, even harrowing, since they may contain exhumation reports and even photographs of corpses. Family members wishing to read the AIR81 files relating to their ancestors are advised to exercise caution and be guided by National Archives warnings where appropriate.

There are two means for accessing AIR81 files- to attend in person or to order a copy by post.

To attend in person, the attendee should first create a Reader’s Ticket. This can be done online by following this link: https://secure.nationalarchives.gov.uk/login/yourdetails. Then click on the AIR81 reference on the IBCC website and click Order in Advance. Enter your Reader’s Ticket number and state the date on which you intend to visit. National Archives will have the file ready for you when you arrive, saving you time. When you visit Kew, you must quote the Reader’s Ticket number and take along two forms of ID- one bearing your signature and one bearing your address. When you view the files, you are permitted to take photographs of each page, should you wish.

Alternatively, if you wish to order a copy by post, please be aware that there is a charge for this service based on the number of pages in the file. Click on the AIR81 reference on the IBCC website and then click Request a Copy. There is an £8.40 charge for National Archives staff to access the file and give you a quotation for the copying service. The process takes around 24 days to complete and can be expensive.

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