John, John Elwyn Died

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Personal Information

Rank Sgt
Forename(s) John Elwyn
Surname John
Gender M
Age 21
Date of Death 17-08-1943
Next of Kin Son of David Llewelyn and Margaret Lenora John, of Swansea, Wales.
JOHN JE

Aircraft Information

Aircraft Avro Lancaster III
Serial Number ED989
Markings DX-F Frederick III

Memorial Information

Burial/Memorial Country United Kingdom
Burial/Memorial Place Runnymede Memorial
Grave Reference Panel 155.
Ribbon Stone 1524 (Block 107, Column 12, Row 1)

IBCC Memorial Information

Map
Directions to panel 55
JOHN JE

Location

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Panel 55
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Directions From the Chadwick Centre, take the central path towards The Spire.

Phase 1
Panel Number 55

Enlistment Information

Service Number 1153102
Service Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Group 5
Squadron 57
Squadron Motto Corpus non animum muto (I change my body, not my spirit)
Trade Air Gunner
Country of Origin United Kingdom

Other Memorials

Location International Bomber Command Centre, Canwick Avenue, Lincoln LN4 2HQ
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Inscribed stone tablet
Memorial Text Remembering John Elwyn John & his crew of ED989
Location Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre, East Kirkby, Lincolnshire
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Sculptures, Inscribed Memeorial Stone & Inscribed Metal Plaques
Memorial Text In memory of those who gave their lives with 57 and 630 Squadrons 1939 - 1945
Location Lincolnshire Aviation Heritage Centre, East Kirkby, Lincolnshire
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Stenciled 57 Sqn RoH in site Chapel
Memorial Text In proud memory of the men of No. 57 Squadron who lost their lives operating from Royal Air Force East Kirkby 1943 to 1945
Location In front of the mess esplanade, Mailly-le-Camp, 10 - Aube Prefecture
Country France
Memorial Type Stone memorial sculpture, inscribed marble tablets and inscribed metal plaque
Memorial Text En souvenir des heros de la RAF. Qui ont participe au bombardment du camp de Mailly. Unites de la RAF engagees dans le raid sur Mailly-le-Camp, la nuit du 3 au 4 May 1944. N° 9-12-44-49-50-57 61-83-97-100-101 Special Duties Flight-103-105-106-166- 169-192-207-460 (RAAF)-463 (RAAF)-467 (RAAF)-550-576-617- 619-625-626-627-635
Translation "In memory of the RAF heroes who took part in the bombing of Mailly Camp. RAF units engaged in the raid on Mailly-le-Camp, the night of 3-4 May 1944. Squadrons that took part: N° 9-12-44-49-50-57 61-83-97-100-101 Special Duties Flight-103-105-106-166- 169-192-207-460 (RAAF)-463 (RAAF)-467 (RAAF)-550-576-617-619-625-626-627-635"
Location Lincoln County Hospital Chapel, Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Country United Kingdom
Memorial Type Inscribed Metal Plaque
Memorial Text In memory of Officers, NCO's & Other Ranks of 5 (Bomber) Group RAF who gave their lives Sept 1939 - May 1945

Miscellaneous Information

John was born on 22nd January 1922 at 1 Howells Terrace, Heol Las, Glamorgan, Wales. His father was a tinplate worker. At 18 years old John enlisted as a 2RC at RAF Cardington May 1940, then to 951 Squadron based in Bristol. This later merged with 927 Squadron. John was attached to 11 (BC) Balloon Command, defending the Bristol Channel. He attended ACRC (Air Crew Recruiting Centre), London in October 1942 to commence his air gunner training. John’s initial training (14 ITW) was in Bridlington, moving to 4 AGS. He attended No. 12 OTU at RAF Chipping Warden in 1943, on Wellington bombers. Conversion (1660 HCU) took place at RAF Swinderby on Manchesters and Lancasters. Then to Dunholme Lodge to join 1485 Gunnery flight and afterwards he was posted to 467 Squadron at RAF Waddington. On 28th July 1943, his operational posting was to 57 Squadron at RAF Scampton. John took part in six operational sorties. His first flight was on 29 July 1943 aboard JA914, John as rear Gunner. On future flights he flew as Mid-Upper Gunner with the same crew. John’s last flight took place on 17 August 1943, leaving RAF Scampton at 21:44 for the V2 rocket factory at Peenemunde, Germany aboard Lancaster ED989, DX-F, Frederick III. ORB states “Missing, lost contact after take-off”. Believed to have been in the third wave of aircraft.

The National Archives

Record of Events (Operational Record Book) AIR 27/538/38
Summary of Events (Operational Record Book) AIR 27/538/38

Fellow Servicemen

Please note that this list gives all the losses aboard the quoted aircraft and occasionally these may have occurred on an earlier date when the aircraft was not itself lost. Please check the dates of death carefully.

Name Outcome
Butterworth C (F/S) Died
Harkness J F (Sgt) Died
Haskell W R (W/C) Died
Jones J (F/O) Died
Lamb J L (F/S) Died
Nye D E (Sgt) Died
Stringer R A C M (Sgt) Died

Last Operation Information

Start Date 17-08-1943
End Date 18-08-1943
Takeoff Station Scampton
Day/Night Raid Night (93% moon)
Operation Peenemunde (Operation Hydra, part of Operation Crossbow - Destruction of the V2)
Reason for Aircraft Loss The Lancaster was in the final wave of the attack and is believed to have been shot down by a night fighter
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